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ON 9-11, DEMS.COM NAUSEATES

Don't know quite what to make of this--it's so illogical and idiotic that it's barely worth comment. But we bloggers wade intrepidly into the weeds of nonsense all the time, don't we? Sometimes we even come back out.

Click on this link. Do the right-click, open in new window trick, so you can still read what I'm saying here while you study the graphic.

It's a map of the flight paths the four ill-fated planes took two years ago today. They have added the locations of all military bases in the Northeast, or at least all the ones they could find. The map's caption reads:

In this picture, which is worth even more than a thousand words, MediaLab has merged a map of the 9/11 planes' flightpaths with a map of military bases in those areas. The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country, yet nothing could be done to stop them?

How blisteringly, mind-seeringly idiotic is that caption? I think I lost a couple of IQ points just trying to understand it. What are the authors suggesting, that we should have shot down the first plane, or even the second? That we should have our air forces on permanent patrols, ready to blast anything out of the sky the very second it deviates from its known flight path? That sounds like a full-blown police state to me, and a brutal one at that. We'd have our air forces shooting down passenger planes every day if we listened to these morons.

This kind of argument is so ill-informed, so childish, that no serious political group or organization should promote it, yet one is. Democrats.com sent it out today in its email newsletter. Yes, the same Democrats.com that has re-dubbed itself "The Patriotic Progressives" (they used to call themselves "The Aggressive Progressives," which always struck me as rather brown-shirted, hammer-and-sickled), that consults for Democrat candidates around the country and boasts a Clinton White House veteran among its founders. The same bunch you'll never hear criticized by the likes of Josh Marshall.

On 9-11-03 they're wondering why President Bush didn't order four passenger planes blown out of the sky on 9-11-01 before a single one had met its deadly fate, as if presidents are omniscient, masters of time, space and dimension.

Unbelievable.

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Posted by B. Preston on September 11, 2003 1:17 PM
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These people see Sept. 11 as nothing more than another opportunity to attack the president and help their party next year. Recently MWO attacked Bush for staying in Washington during Sept. 11… never mind that the Pentagon was attacked that day (memo to MWO - that’s in Washington). They are also implying that Cheney being asked not to attend the ceremony this morning by Bloomberg somehow reflects badly on Cheney, and attacking Bush deciding to lay low more this year and from here on out, which is doubtlessly a heads-we-win, tails-you-lose argument. It’s outrageous and sick.

These people see Sept. 11 as nothing more than another opportunity to attack the president and help their party next year. Recently MWO attacked Bush for staying in Washington during Sept. 11… never mind that the Pentagon was attacked that day (memo to MWO - that’s in Washington). They are also implying that Cheney being asked not to attend the ceremony this morning by Bloomberg somehow reflects badly on Cheney, and attacking Bush for deciding to lay low more this year and from here on out, which is doubtlessly a heads-we-win, tails-you-lose argument. It’s outrageous and sick.

This from the same group that claims on their front page: Before Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 there was NO terrorism against Americans from Iraq

Out of touch, and thankfully… Out of Office.

what, are the soldiers on those bases supposed to run the planes out of the skies with their humvees? no mention as to which of the listed bases have, you know, fighter aircraft.…

Posted by andy on September 11, 2003 4:39 PM

Orwell would love the Dem definition of “patriotic”.

patriot’ic (adj): Adhering to the enemy; Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Posted by ockham on September 11, 2003 4:46 PM

“Recently MWO attacked Bush for staying in Washington during Sept. 11… “

Funny, I thought Bush fled from Washington on 9/11. They sold pictures of him phoning in his presidency at 35,000 feet from the safety of AF1 to clueless Republicans as a patriotic memento (I know, not exactly Teddy going up San Juan Hill).

Perhaps the Dems point was simply that we were woefully unprepared (no intercept fighters at Andrews AFB???) to defend ourselves from a known threat. Not unlike, recent suggestions that Clinton should have taken out bin Laden after the USS Cole bombing. The main difference being that everyone knows it was practically impossible for Clinton to do that, as opposed to making the airlines and the Rumsfeld Pentagon do their jobs.

Oh, shame on the Dems for trotting this partisan out trash on 9-11 and shame on you, Bryan, for perpetuating it.

Posted by shep on September 12, 2003 9:45 AM

More Orwellian reasoning from our old friend Shep. Criticism is now “perpetuating,” is it?

And actually, Clinton had two chances to take bin Laden without firing a shot. His failure got people killed, and is still getting people killed. Having passed up those opportunities, he could’ve taken him by force. He failed again—a failure of nerve that time.

Posted by Bryan on September 12, 2003 10:03 AM

And by the way, Bush wasn’t even in Washington on 9-11. He was in Florida. So you’re lying, bald-faced, to say that he “fled” Washington. Or you’re clueless.

Take your pick.

Posted by Bryan on September 12, 2003 10:05 AM

Yes, Bryan, Clinton took a shot and failed (as I’m sure you can recall, the neocons howled when he did). Perhaps he needed more time at the range. That’s one more shot than Bush took so, again, your criticism it totally hypocritical (Orwellian?).

My bad on the “fled from Washington” statement (lying or clueless, oh my) He merely chose to follow his handler’s advice (so what else is new) and flew safely away from the possible (though doubtful) danger in Washington. It was a portrait in courage. I stand corrected.

Posted by shep on September 12, 2003 11:21 AM

Well Shep, you’ve successfully distracted everyone from the point of this post but wandered into confirming it in spite of yourself. You don’t understand the world at all. Neither do the folks who put that map together. And that problem won’t get solved if I waste every second of the rest of my life arguing with you.

The neocons didn’t howl when Clinton “took his shot.” They howled because he missed. And they howled because he didn’t even consult his military advisors until the missiles were almost in the air, and because the timing so suspect (there was a little to-do with the grand jury in Washington, as I recall). And we continue to howl because he kept the intel agencies from using intel sources with questionable backgrounds, as though the world is full of Boy Scouts, and because people like you just won’t see reason.

As for Bush and the profile in courage line, we were under attack that day. We had no way of knowing how extensive the attack was while it was going on. There are protocols to follow in that situation, which he eventually bucked. In fact, he fought those protocols all day. You are so full of unreasonable hate for him that you’ve become nothing but an armchair critic without an ounce of experience, credibility or sense. You’re nothing but a carper, constantly looking for some angle of attack on the one leader who gets it, and who is defending your sorry hide while you bite his ankles.

Posted by Bryan on September 12, 2003 12:43 PM

Somehow the name “Shep” conjures for me an image of the loving and faithful old sheep dog of my youth. This dork is nothing more than a yorkie troll.

Posted by Clyde on September 12, 2003 4:35 PM

A) Damn right that’s nauseating. And damn right that it’s an ignorant, uninformed, and completely forced way to take a swipe at the President.

But…

B) I remember how much on 9/11/01 that I really wanted the President to show himself, to get on the air and say, “I’m here.” Yes, it might not have been the absolute safest thing, but I think it would have been the best thing; I wanted him to lead by example.

Truth to tell, I’m still disappointed that Bush went into hiding. I don’t think Truman would have pulled the same vanishing act.

A) Damn right that’s nauseating. And damn right that it’s an ignorant, uninformed, and completely forced way to take a swipe at the President.

But…

B) I remember how much on 9/11/01 that I really wanted the President to show himself, to get on the air and say, “I’m here.” Yes, it might not have been the absolute safest thing, but I think it would have been the best thing; I wanted him to lead by example.

Truth to tell, I’m still disappointed that Bush went into hiding. I don’t think Truman would have pulled the same vanishing act.

and where would the country have been if the attack had been even bigger in scope and destruction, and bush had been a target, and his secret service had shucked his security and it got him killed.

decapitating our governmwent and leaving us leaderless, and in even more confusion? remember if that plane had gotten thru to washington its posible most of the congress could have been killed that day..

what was done during those first 10 hours to safeguard the president was unequivocally the best thing to do for the country, and no partisan argument can change that.

Posted by rumcrook on September 13, 2003 10:30 PM

Dear shep,

They were talking about where he was THIS Sept. 11, you partisan nit-wit.

Bush “went into hiding” on orders from the Secret Service during an attack on our country. He finally fought them and returned to Washington that night. The idea that he not returning right that second is a bad thing is so much nitpicking nonsense.

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