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MEChA, a separatist group preaching a reconquista or "liberation" of the American Southwest, whose ideology most closely resembles Communism (according to some old-hand MEChistas), borrows its singular, most offensive phrase from Fidel Castro.

And the very liberal who dug this up thinks it's no big deal. In fact, he excuses it:

In 1969, the true nature of Castro's attitude toward artists and intellectuals would certainly not have been known to the Chicano organizers whose documents were used in the founding of MEChA, and given this clear context, I think we can now assume that the slogan in question was meant to be a revolutionary unity statement. The fact that it was ripped from a now-infamous speech by a now-disgraced dictator is historically unfortunate, but it's meaning should at least now be clear.

Why would MEChA's organizers know of the offending phrase and its call to "revolutionary unity," yet not know of Castro's brutality? Isn't it just as likely that they not only knew what Castro did, but that they also approved of it? They were Chicano militants, after all, as Linse admits. In Castro perhaps they found a fellow traveller, an ideological leader, and that's why they borrowed his phrase. No?

Look, Ain't No Bad Dude, Communism is bad, dude. It actually eclipsed Nazism for sheer meanness, accounting for about 20 million dead in the old USSR, several million dead in China, a couple million dead in Cambodia and countless other millions dead in little Commie hell-holes around the world. It's nasty stuff. I'm sure you know all this; I'm just providing a bit of context.

MEChA's borrowing words from Castro doesn't mean that California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante is either a Castro-ite nor a Communist, but it doesn't automatically let him off the hook either. If Trent Lott were tied to some little known group that had some tenuous ideological tie to Nazism, you guys would be all over him like a cheap polyester suit in mid-August. Wouldn't you? You know you would. You folks try to tie GOPers to racism, and the more irritable amoung you constantly try and tie us to the Nazis, whenever you need a fix for some old time liberal religion.

Ever seen the "Bush=Hitler" signs? Ever run across the term "Bush Reich?" The latter was until recently a frequent fixture on Democrats.com. Democrats.com, as I have demonstrated countless times, isn't fringe. One of its founders worked in the Clinton White House. It gets Josh Marshall's stamp of approval, or, Bustamante-like, he refused to criticize it when I confronted him in an email exchange a while back. In fact, he objected when I dubbed them "radical."

So you can't in good faith deny that your side would climb up one side and down the other of any Republican that you could possibly, however weakly, tie to the Nazis. You folks do it all the time.

Yet Bustamante is tied to a group that borrows the words of Castro, refuses repeatedly to renounce it, and you excuse it. Pardon me while I search for the last ash of your credibility and stamp it out.

Fact is, in Bustamante you folks have a very big problem. Bustamante is your great hope in CA. He has a murky past with a fringe, possibly terroristic, organization--one that borrows at least the germ of its ideology from Fidel Castro. If you and Bustamante don't renounce MEChA pronto, you're de facto accepting it as a legitimate part of your ideological coalition.

That's bad, dude.

MORE: It turns out that the "until recently" clause regarding Democrats.com's "Bush Reich" and its variants is too generous. They're still calling the Bush administration either "Bush Reich," or the "Fourth Reich." Just go to their site, run a search on "reich" and you'll see what I mean. You'll also see that they call the Bush admin the "Busheviks." Intellectual consistency isn't their strong suit, obviously.

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Posted by B. Preston on September 10, 2003 9:11 AM
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You have an excellent article on MEChA and its link to communism, but the numbers for deaths due to communism is too low. The USSR killed 61 million, Communist China 35 million after coming to power, and 3 million during 1923-49. In Cambodia 2 million died. Other communist regimes killed other millions of people.

See: Death by Government specifically Table 1.2 (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF)

Posted by Tim M. on September 10, 2003 3:01 PM

They beat you to it - search reveals no instances of reich on Democrats.com as of 9/10/03 at 4:00 CST.

Posted by amca on September 10, 2003 4:20 PM

> and the more irritable amoung you constantly > try and tie us to the Nazis

The whole thing is pretty funny considering the Nazis were socialists… Mr. Fascism Mussolini was a Marxist…

Don’t La Raza and Das Volk translate to the same thing?

Let’s quote: > I think we can now assume that the slogan in > question was meant to be a revolutionary unity > statement.

So even modern day lefties think racism, in the service of ‘revolutionary unity’, is valid… and the ‘right’ is associated with Nazis? What a joke…

Posted by Thomas on September 10, 2003 6:59 PM

You should re-do your search, amca. I just did it, and here are some of the highlights:

Pin-Up Girl for the Fourth Reich? Jennifer Garner to Star in CIA Propaganda Video to Recruit Spooks, Drug-Runners, Torturers

Twisted Photo Bush Bash for the Week (comic relief) 24-Aug-03 Humor Living under the Bush Reich, it is tempting to sink into a black depression, grow an ulcer, or hit hard objects with your bare fists. The alternative, of course, is humor - an antidote the typical Bushite knows nothing about!

The Best Antidote to the Bush Reich: An Anti-Indifference Vaccine?

The Busheviks Embrace Socialism!

In Broad Daylight Part 2: From Hitler to Bush: the Ugly, Rotten Roots of the Modern GOP

WaterGate Revisited: The Bush Reich Engineered the Dixie Chicks Boycott

All of those headlines are from the last three or four months. Just go to their site, type reich in the search window, and hit go. They’ll come up.

Posted by Bryan on September 10, 2003 8:09 PM

Is MEChA racist, as in, we’re going to retake California? I’ve seen the MEChA charter - I was invited to join when I got to college - and nobody took that particular line seriously. It was a vestige of an earlier struggle, when MEChA was radical out of necessity. It’s like the Colored People phrase in NAACP. No one would call themselves that now, but it reminds African-Americans - and the rest of us - of their history and of the roots of that organization. Same deal with the stuff in the MEChA charter - it’s a reminder of the struggle. If they pulled out a bunch of Castro rhetoric and mimed it, that’s unfortunate but it’s still not relevant now because no one believes in that old posturing. (I’m not saying they probably didn’t believe it THEN, though, but they’d have been in good company with lots of other campus denizens.)

So why won’t Cruz denounce MEChA? Probably because when he was a member at Fresno State it was an inclusive organization - though it’s unlikely whites wanted or NEEDED to join - that gave him support through college. And which had nothing to do with its antiquated 1960’s-era rhetoric that was then already vestigial to the organization’s purpose of providing Chicano students with support.

The fact that so many people are afraid of some college organization whose most controversial tenet no modern member actually believes convinces me that there is nothing but fear among certain white voters of a brown politician. I hope that’s not true. The great thing about the blogosphere is that you get a variety of viewpoints - or so I thought until this MEChA thing came up. It’s become painfully obvious that bloggers with any actual experience with MEChA are nearly nonexistent, to the detriment of this discussion. So far it’s a lot of people Googling the same things over again, but rare is the actual first hand experience with the organization on campus or any of its members. And why are we focusing on this issue and not talking about Arnold’s propensity for groping women? For driving Hummers? For taking money from corporations when he said he wouldn’t? For not participating in any of the debates (yet)? That said, why not talk about Cruz and Arnold’s actual policies and get downright relevant?

BTW, don’t let my Irish name fool you - I’m Latina, and declined to join MEChA in college because it had the rep of being very male-dominated at the time. My brother passed in favor of joining a frat.

> The fact that so many people are afraid of some college organization whose most controversial tenet no modern member actually believes convinces me that there is nothing but fear among certain white voters of a brown politician. I hope that’s not true.

I’m not a “white voter” and I’m concerned about groups like MEChA.

As a naturalized Hispanic from Central America, I’m weary of groups of people who go around shouting “Viva la Raza”. My first question is, what “Raza”? There is no Latin American race, nor is there a Mexican race. Last time I checked, our countries of origin are as mixed as many places in the U.S.

Considering that there is a lot of racism against black people in Mexico (just watch Univision), will a black Mexican feel welcome with the “Viva la Raza” term? I sure am not, altough of course I’m not Chicano. Interestingly, this groups sometimes passes itself as a “Latino”, but I surely don’t understand “ni papa” of what they have to say. “La Raza!”, what the hell are they talking about?

BTW, do you guys know what MECHA literally means in Spanish? It’s MECHA, as in the MECHA to ignite a bomb (how do you say this in English, fuse?) I’m surprised nobody has commented on this.

Posted by Augusto on September 10, 2003 8:38 PM

Call Bustamante what you will regarding his past association with MEChA, you’ve got to give the man credit for having the ‘cojones’ not to take the empty “I have sinned” line. Would it really make a difference to his critics if he renounced his past and begged atonement? Would his critics believe him if he did? Probably not. In fact, were he to do this, I think the critics’ claws would get sharper, and the reaction unforgiving. I think it takes guts for him not to pretend shame for something he is clearly not ashamed of. He might deserve to be raked over the coals for this; but at least he’s willing to risk the heat.

Posted by Jimmy Huck on September 10, 2003 9:51 PM

I dont think it has anything to do with risking”heat”.

in fact I dont think thier is any risk and he knows it. its the smug self knolledge that it wont go anywhere because the california media backs him.

whereas that smae media has been trying to pin the sins of the father on arnold.

thier is a double standard applied by the media to intensity of coverage and the direction it takes from dem to republican. if this were a republican it would be a firestorm right now, no matter what he said.

Posted by rumcrook on September 11, 2003 12:15 AM

Way to play identity politics, Moira. Fact is, my own wife is a legal immigrant to this country. Our son is a mixture of the two of us—a beautiful, golden brown boy. Why would I fear a brown politician?

As for no one taking that particular “raza” phrase seriously—that’s a dodge. If no one takes it seriously, take it out. As long as it’s there, it is fair game to criticize.

And if Augusto is right, you might want to change the name of the organization to something less bellicose than “fuse.” Oh, and lose the eagle clutching the stick of dynamite logo, too.

I guess no one takes any of that stuff seriously, either.

Posted by Bryan on September 11, 2003 8:40 AM

Bryan - Why so defensive about Moira’s post? She didn’t accuse you specifically of fearing a brown politician. In fact, the whole point of her post was really advocating a very conservative position: forget about race and talk about qualifications. Here, again, Bryan, YOU want to make race the defining issue of Bustamante’s candidacy. YOU want to catch him with the same race-baited net that some liberals unfairly use against conservative politicians. I think criticizing the hypocrisy of democrats who play this double game is very fair and warranted. But actually playing the same game on Bustamante that many liberals (and some conservatives, too) played on Trent Lott, for example, just doesn’t suit your supposedly race-should-be-irrelevant philosophy.

Posted by Jimmy Huck on September 11, 2003 10:21 AM

You know the left are desperate when they claim MEChA’s motto has been mistranslated. Its especially funny when this is said to people who speak Spanish fluently like me. If these guys were white and saying it, they would be universally condemned by the left, they are chicanos so they can talk to like the Nazis, no problem.

Jimmy,

Read, think, re-read, re-think, then post. Please.

Moira said, and I quote:

The fact that so many people are afraid of some college organization whose most controversial tenet no modern member actually believes convinces me that there is nothing but fear among certain white voters of a brown politician. I hope that’s not true.

I’m answering that charge—that the criticism of Bustamante on this issue may be driven by fear of brown politicians. It isn’t. Proffering that accusation is playing the race card—am I not allowed to defend myself from it? Criticism of Bustamante is driven by fear of a racial separatist organization bent on “liberating” the US Southwest and kicking all non-Chicanos out, and the fact that the man who wants to govern California was a member of that organization and refuses to renounce or criticize it. Why is this so hard for you to understand? You lefties are, I’m convinced down the marrow of my bones, utterly unable to understand a logical agrument if it lands outside your preconceived impression of the facts.

Do a little mental exercise, Jimmy. Take MEChA’s motto—”For the race…” Take its origins—a noxious ideology bent on destroying freedom and enslaving and murdering millions. Take MEChA’s militant logo—an eagle clutching a lit stick of dynamite—and its constitution, which calls for carving the US Southwest off into its own country with a pure race as its master. Then forget for a moment that it’s a non-white group, and apply it to white separatists. What do you have?

The Klan by another name, that’s what. And no amount of college tutoring changes that fact, whether you like it or not.

Posted by Bryan on September 11, 2003 11:40 AM

I agree that your criticism is not leveled out of fear of a brown politician. And Moira never said your criticism was. The fact that you aren’t afraid of Bustamante because he’s hispanic can’t be generalized to include all white voter criticism of Bustamante’s MEChA past. In fact, I find it very plausible that there are certain white voters who do irrationally fear Cruz simply because he’s hispanic and his MEChA past only helps to confirm this fear. Why? Because we (right and left) can’t move from race as the bogeyman.

As for your “mental exercise” for me, I happen to agree with you at the most fundamental level. Racial separatism and intolerance, whether coming from an oppressed minority or from a privileged majority, is still racial separatism and intolerance and should be condemned. When and where have I ever defended MEChA? When have I absolved Bustamante of his past with MEChA? Bustamante will have to deal with this in front of the California electorate. He’s made his choice not to run from this past. That’s a gutsy thing to do, and he could very well suffer politically for this. If you want to brand him a racist because of his decision, you have some firm ground to stand upon and he’ll have to explain why his association with this group doesn’t make him a racist; but you’ll still be getting into the racial politics game. It’s a game I’d rather not play.

Posted by Jimmy Huck on September 11, 2003 1:43 PM

Posted by moira at September 10, 2003 08:16 PM

I’ve heard that before and also that different chapters have different political flavors…

Still, when I google the really offensive phrases in Spanish, the pages pop up from some chapters…

What I’d say, I wouldn’t join a kinder gentler KKK (even if all it did was deliver food to shut ins). Maybe someone should fill out a new club form and start new organization without the stigmas…

I’m not a huge fan of ethnic clubs, at public institutions, either. I’m ethnic and went to the equivalent of the Greek school (just a different nationality) from that Greek wedding movie. Thing is, that was on the weekend on private property. Part of keeping us all Americans is shared experiences such as school and the military… just a thought…

Posted by Thomas on September 11, 2003 5:11 PM

Posted by Jimmy Huck at September 11, 2003 10:21 AM

> And Moira never said your criticism was.

No, she used a rhetorical dodge to say it without a direct accusation…

>.…convinces me that there is nothing but fear > among certain white voters of a brown > politician. I hope that’s not true.

Maybe she should run in the recall, she talks like a politician…

Posted by Thomas on September 11, 2003 5:21 PM
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