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From the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation:

Thousands of people have taken to the streets in London to protest against George W Bush and the war on Iraq. Organisers claim more than 150,000 have joined the march in central London, although police put the figure closer to 70,000.

Protestors pulled down an effigy of Mr Bush to loud cheers in Trafalgar Square.

Meanwhile the US president has carried on with his engagements which have included talks with Prime Minister Tony Blair on Iraq and Aids in Africa.


The two leaders jointly condemned Thursday's bomb attacks in Turkey and reiterated their war on terror. (emphasis mine)

Their war. Not the war, the West's war, or, heaven forbid, our war against Islamist terrorism. It's Bush's and Blair's war to the BBC.

MORE: And here's what looks like another example of media bias. What would you think if you read a headline saying "Iraqi Leader Supportive of US Killed," with the subhead "Military Drops Massive Bombs in Central Iraq"? If you didn't read the story, you're likely to assume that the bombs we dropped had something to do with the Iraqi leader getting killed, right? That was the reaction of JG, who sent in a scan from a story in the Express, a free pub handed out to commuters on the DC Metro. It's published by the Washington Post. Here's the scan--click on it and you'll get the full-rez shot:

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So what's the problem? Well, read the story. The pro-US Iraqi leader targeted--by car-bombers, not the US military--wasn't killed. He wasn't even injured. Some other leader was killed in an entirey different attack, but the story never makes his take on the US clear. One could reasonably assume he's fairly pro-US since he has a local leadership role in education, but it's by no means a slam-dunk. There are plenty of Iraqis running local affairs who aren't too keen on our presence. As for the bombs we dropped--well, that bit was just tacked on to the end of a story that otherwise has nothing do with the US military's response to terrorist strikes. The story is really about two terror attacks against two Iraqis, one of which succeeded in killing its intended target and one of which failed, instead killing a little kid. But if you just read the headlines, you're likely to come away with very different impressions, i.e, that the US military screwed up and killed one of the good guys.

Now, as I mentioned, the Express is a commuter pub. How many people actually take the time to read the stories and try and match their content up to the headlines? Having ridden the Metro during rush hour myself, I'd say very few. Which may be exactly what the headline writers were counting on.

MORE: And now we switch back to the Beeb, whose reporters ask fair questions such as "What do you say to people who today conclude that British people have died and been maimed as a result of you appearing here today, shoulder-to-shoulder with a controversial American President? And, Mr. President, if I could ask you, with thousands on the street -- with thousands marching on the streets today here in London, a free nation, what is your conclusion as to why apparently so many free citizens fear you and even hate you?"

Side note, who the heck is arguing that Blair and Bush appearing before the press has gotten anyone killed or maimed? That's the mother of all non sequiturs. Anyhow, want more? Here ya go--

"Why do they hate you, Mr. President? Why do they hate you in such numbers?"

How I wish he'd give that question the type of answer it deserves, like "Because they're addle-brained boobs, incapable of distinguishing between terrorists and elected leaders who try and stop terrorists. Or perhaps because they just like terrorists and hope to stop me from daisy cuttering them in large numbers."
Too bad we'll never hear that.

(thanks to Hanks for the Beeb briefing link)

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Posted by B. Preston on November 20, 2003 12:57 PM
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The two leaders jointly condemned Thursday’s bomb attacks in Turkey and reiterated their war on terror. (emphasis mine)

You can reiterate a view, or a position, or a statement. Don’t think even Bush and Blair could “reiterate their war”. Bad grammar. Is it yours or the Beeb’s?

Posted by Osborne on November 20, 2003 2:38 PM

Good point, and it’s their bad grammar. I’m just quoting them.

Posted by Bryan on November 20, 2003 2:40 PM

Oh, it’s the Beeb’s. I’ll complain to them.

Posted by Osborne on November 20, 2003 2:40 PM

70,000 seems like too much too…

Here’s another BBC reporter, writing in the Guardian:

Simon Hoggart, Guardian sketchwriter and BBC political presenter (Westminster Hour) describes seeing Bush at yesterday’s press conference:

I was hypnotised by the movements of his lips. First the upper one clamped over the lower. Then the lower lip opened slightly to the left and, next, to the right. Then the upper lip widened out in a faintly simian way.

[…]

He looked like a man who has just realised that he had forgotten to take the chewing gum out of his mouth. He can’t let on, but is scared he might swallow it, so he tucked it between his teeth and jaw

It’s nice to know that, like World Affairs Editor, John “Saddam is a Saint” Simpson, this BBC political presenter is impartial…

More stuff on the protests, BBC and The Guardian that may be of interest:

“What Do They Want?” http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2003/11/what_do_they_wa.html

I Bought The Guardian Today - So You Don’t Have To http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2003/11/i_bought_the_gu.html

I was listening to reports on the “marches” yesterday, and just like those the day before there were only a few hundred, not a few thousand people. A fact that the reporter mentioned on both days, since anti-Bush Whackos were predicting “Hundreds of thousands”.

Topic: Media Bias

At least the BBC is covering the demonstrations. That’s more than could be said for Fox’s Fair and Balanced coverage of an equally important story?

I suppose this will prompt a variations of one or more of the standard replies:

Not really a story. We’re At War. The Democrats have politicized the commission. Some commission members are of French ancestry. The families of victims of 9/11 hate America. Investigations hate America. Republican Chairman Keane is a metrosexual AND hates America. You’re off topic.

Posted by Webster on November 21, 2003 12:59 PM

It wasn’t the BBC’s reporter, by the way, it was ITV’s.

Commissions of any kind rarely get coverage until they release a report… as Alterman seems to concede, it’s not a “Fox thing,” but it’s like going after Bush for something Clinton did. Red meat for the Angry Left.

Webster:

You’re right, Fox News isn’t perfect either.

I recently ventured into a debate regarding the “POWs” in Guantanamo. One thing I lead off with before getting into the meat of the debate was, we all must remember no government (organization / broadcast station) is perfect.

So in debating the ethical treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo, we must keep in mind, for the sake of perspective, that we are facing an enemy which films the decapitation of civilians.

Fox News isn’t perfectly balanced, but it’s a whole lot closer than almost any other network which comes to mind.

HH

The point is this commission IS making news. Prominent people — Republicans as well as Democrats as well the very relevant and newsworthy families of the 9/11 victims — are criticizing the Administration. That’s news. Most every other news organization judged it as such, but Fox doesn’t report it at all. I think it’s hardly some Fox rule about awaiting the outcome of investigations. They didn’t shy away from minute by minute updates on Starr’s investigation and its struggles over cooperation from that White House.

Spilling spleen over media bias is always a case of the pot calling the kettle black, particularly when ones main TV news source is Fox. I agree with Alex that no organization is perfect (I’ll leave aside the Guantanamo issue — as I’m trying to discipline myself to stay on topic). That’s absolutely true. I will disagree that Fox comes a whole lot closer than almost any other network which comes to mind. But I think otherwise, and that only reflects our biases.

I do feel I’d be quite uncomfortable finding out that an important commission charged with finding out what happened on 9/11was feeling “stonewalled” – repeatedly — by any president, whether republican or democrat, but my main news source decided I didn’t need to know that.

And that kind of editorial policy certainly seems to get its desired results, as this oft-posted resent study seems to suggest. Full study Here

Now back to “If the BBC Had The Agenda of Fox News I Wouldn’t Have Had To Bother Writing This Post.”

Posted by Webster on November 21, 2003 5:27 PM

Sad but true; network news absolutely must be suplimented with the Internet to get the full(er) picture.

The past 3 years have gained me a much greater understanding of how governments can use the media to control their populations. I’m certainly not saying that the U.S. does that, but I can see how it easily happens in places like North Korea, for instance.

ps> Webster, great work staying on topic. I through some tasty bait out there. :-)

Alex — re staying on topic. Appreciate the therapy. I’ll beat this some day.:)

Posted by Webster on November 22, 2003 3:29 AM

Of course that study is incredibly skewed as has been mentioned on quite a few blogs… “Misperceptions” on the other side are surely prevalent among listeners to NPR.

Whether people are feeling “stonewalled” is actually “newsworthy” to any news network in a world with Peterson, Jackson, etc. is debatable.

Of course that study is incredibly skewed as has been mentioned on quite a few blogs… “Misperceptions” on the other side are surely prevalent among listeners to NPR.

Okay, waiting. What are they? Fox lied to ya’ll about the war, or ‘mislead’ you if you want to mince words. What are we being lied to about?

Of course that study is incredibly skewed as has been mentioned on quite a few blogs… “Misperceptions” on the other side are surely prevalent among listeners to NPR.

Okay, waiting. What are they? Fox lied to ya’ll about the war, or ‘mislead’ you if you want to mince words. What are we being lied to about?

What did Fox lie to us about again? What in particular about the war?

Alex, the Univ of Marylard study showing that about 1/2 of Fox viewers had at least one major belief (since proven wrong) re: Iraq.

Google for ‘PIPA Fox’

I’ll check out that study, but let’s remember that if you get a C on your Calc final it isn’t necessarily because your teacher was lying to you.

wah;

What about

  1. Saddam Hussein was legimately elected President.
  2. The Ba’ath regime was not in violation of any interational agreements.
  3. The US invaded Iraq to make it a US colony.
  4. The US invaded Iraq to steal the oil.
  5. Ba’athist Iraq was armed primarily by the US.
  6. Ba’athist Iraq had no connections to terrorists.
  7. It was impossible for Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein to cooperate.
  8. There were never any WMD in Iraq.
  9. Only President Bush / the USA believe there were WMD in Iraq.
  10. No European nation had any financial stake in preventing the invasion.

Annoying Old Guy —

Nice way to frame the debate.

You wouldn’t happen to be a polster?

Posted by Webster on November 26, 2003 12:23 AM

How about:

11. Plame game? 12. (D) Memo’s leaked?

I don’t think mere facts will convince a Kucinich supporter…

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